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		<title>By: Cary Fischetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cary Fischetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Diedra Harbor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diedra Harbor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When one views the issue at hand, i have to agree with your conclusions. You understandably show knowledge about this topic and i have much to learn after reading your post.Many salutations and i will come back for any further updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When one views the issue at hand, i have to agree with your conclusions. You understandably show knowledge about this topic and i have much to learn after reading your post.Many salutations and i will come back for any further updates.</p>
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		<title>By: dieta</title>
		<link>http://trustmojo.com/2006/07/07/lying-autonomous-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-18183</link>
		<dc:creator>dieta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very intresting article, keep up good work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very intresting article, keep up good work</p>
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		<title>By: Antyki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antyki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice picture to the article, alex ;)
regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice picture to the article, alex <img src='http://trustmojo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
regards</p>
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		<title>By: Meble</title>
		<link>http://trustmojo.com/2006/07/07/lying-autonomous-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-4374</link>
		<dc:creator>Meble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the best start page out there…pageflakes.com is pretty good too, but viewing items is horrible when compared to Netvibes.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://trustmojo.com/2006/07/07/lying-autonomous-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments Djen, I really think your first point is exactly what I am talking about, by having a common name online today you get the same effect as having lying agents. And just like you say, to make out what info is related to what person you need additional contextual information (e.g. cooking skills).

Many users are anonymous today but that is also paralleled with a huge amount of people establishing pseudo-identeties online that stay intact across services (i.e. I have the &quot;same&quot; identity on flickr as on upcoming.org). By building an identity that moves across several web-sites it gains acceptance and recognition as something disconnected from a service and connected to the individual. &lt;a href=&quot;http://claimid.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ClaimID.com&lt;/a&gt; is an interesting way of trying move the identity from the service (or &quot;the identity silo&quot; as &lt;a href=&quot;http://blame.ca/dick/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dick Hardt&lt;/a&gt; calls them in his nice &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.identity20.com/media/OSCON2005/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;identity 2.0 presentation&lt;/a&gt;) to the hands of the user.

The issue of velocity is really important for trust, however, in some regards I could argue that non-mediated social interactions are much faster than ones mediated through the web. Furthermore trust is a wide and complex social phenomenon that at times can be slow to build up but in other contexts can be instantaneous. E.g. you sit at a cafe with your 2000USD laptop and have to go outside to have a cigarette - what do you do? You ask the person sitting next to you to keep an eye on your stuff. Actually you trust somebody you never met with something of large value to yourself just because he/she was sitting next to you. Why? Since the context provides an element of trust (maybe you feel connected with the ambience of the cafe) you extend that connection to the person within that context. So, trust can be instantaneous on a person-to-person level but will usually have a background in another element (a social object, place etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments Djen, I really think your first point is exactly what I am talking about, by having a common name online today you get the same effect as having lying agents. And just like you say, to make out what info is related to what person you need additional contextual information (e.g. cooking skills).</p>
<p>Many users are anonymous today but that is also paralleled with a huge amount of people establishing pseudo-identeties online that stay intact across services (i.e. I have the &#8220;same&#8221; identity on flickr as on upcoming.org). By building an identity that moves across several web-sites it gains acceptance and recognition as something disconnected from a service and connected to the individual. <a href="http://claimid.org" rel="nofollow">ClaimID.com</a> is an interesting way of trying move the identity from the service (or &#8220;the identity silo&#8221; as <a href="http://blame.ca/dick/" rel="nofollow">Dick Hardt</a> calls them in his nice <a href="http://www.identity20.com/media/OSCON2005/" rel="nofollow">identity 2.0 presentation</a>) to the hands of the user.</p>
<p>The issue of velocity is really important for trust, however, in some regards I could argue that non-mediated social interactions are much faster than ones mediated through the web. Furthermore trust is a wide and complex social phenomenon that at times can be slow to build up but in other contexts can be instantaneous. E.g. you sit at a cafe with your 2000USD laptop and have to go outside to have a cigarette &#8211; what do you do? You ask the person sitting next to you to keep an eye on your stuff. Actually you trust somebody you never met with something of large value to yourself just because he/she was sitting next to you. Why? Since the context provides an element of trust (maybe you feel connected with the ambience of the cafe) you extend that connection to the person within that context. So, trust can be instantaneous on a person-to-person level but will usually have a background in another element (a social object, place etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Djen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Djen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, the problem of finding trurt it is nothing new for our age, or even in the internet. The key to complete privacy on the net simply is the most common name. Through an ever growing amount of sources with the same keywords it becomes less and less trivial to research and access &quot;real&quot; information, adding criteria like place of residence, field of action or interests the person researched can be sure not have it&#039;s - for example cooking skills - discovered. 

The biggest amount of internet users in fact are anonymous, since they can not be differentiated from other users with same names and same interestst, and with growing access to internet the data gets &quot;mashed up&quot; even more.

The only way out would be context-sensitive web, which is a dream of web2.0 - but which is counteracted spam even more.

But coming back to the whole question of trust.

New encounters normally are not trusted. Trust is something, that develops over time. Now the interesting question is whether our analogue understanding of trust in time can be adopted to the instantly acting internet with is velocity of action. If we trust instantly - we will be disappointed (ever thought about ordering viagra from one of these spam-mails?) and if we don&#039;t we are not acting conforming to the needs of the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, the problem of finding trurt it is nothing new for our age, or even in the internet. The key to complete privacy on the net simply is the most common name. Through an ever growing amount of sources with the same keywords it becomes less and less trivial to research and access &#8220;real&#8221; information, adding criteria like place of residence, field of action or interests the person researched can be sure not have it&#8217;s &#8211; for example cooking skills &#8211; discovered. </p>
<p>The biggest amount of internet users in fact are anonymous, since they can not be differentiated from other users with same names and same interestst, and with growing access to internet the data gets &#8220;mashed up&#8221; even more.</p>
<p>The only way out would be context-sensitive web, which is a dream of web2.0 &#8211; but which is counteracted spam even more.</p>
<p>But coming back to the whole question of trust.</p>
<p>New encounters normally are not trusted. Trust is something, that develops over time. Now the interesting question is whether our analogue understanding of trust in time can be adopted to the instantly acting internet with is velocity of action. If we trust instantly &#8211; we will be disappointed (ever thought about ordering viagra from one of these spam-mails?) and if we don&#8217;t we are not acting conforming to the needs of the media.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://trustmojo.com/2006/07/07/lying-autonomous-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest I´m not sure at all if it would actually work but it&#039;s definitely an interesting idea. My point is that most people discussing privacy are only thinking about ways to prevent information from becoming available. The &quot;lying agents&quot; perspective turns the table around so to speak. I find it interesting since it is a radically different approach and surely one worth exploring. 

The parallel with the virus industry is really interesting, hadn&#039;t thought about that. There would surely be a constant battle between true and spam/annoying/evil-spirited agents but since the &quot;key&quot; to deciphering the authentic information is to actually know the person (or know certain facts about him/her) I think the evil guys would have a hard time... At least I hope so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest I´m not sure at all if it would actually work but it&#8217;s definitely an interesting idea. My point is that most people discussing privacy are only thinking about ways to prevent information from becoming available. The &#8220;lying agents&#8221; perspective turns the table around so to speak. I find it interesting since it is a radically different approach and surely one worth exploring. </p>
<p>The parallel with the virus industry is really interesting, hadn&#8217;t thought about that. There would surely be a constant battle between true and spam/annoying/evil-spirited agents but since the &#8220;key&#8221; to deciphering the authentic information is to actually know the person (or know certain facts about him/her) I think the evil guys would have a hard time&#8230; At least I hope so!</p>
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		<title>By: Emil</title>
		<link>http://trustmojo.com/2006/07/07/lying-autonomous-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Emil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would lying realy work if you have trust services that help you find the right information?
Or maybe if you out-clever the algorthms of the trust services and make them unsure of that to trust, but that seems as a waste of time.

And with that I see parallels with the whole virus industry. With the one side trying to discover flaws and the other trying to correct them. An ever lasting battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would lying realy work if you have trust services that help you find the right information?<br />
Or maybe if you out-clever the algorthms of the trust services and make them unsure of that to trust, but that seems as a waste of time.</p>
<p>And with that I see parallels with the whole virus industry. With the one side trying to discover flaws and the other trying to correct them. An ever lasting battle.</p>
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